Antis should give BETTER criticism. Thank you so much! Exactly! We still don't know why Vaggie is in Hell and she seems to be a pretty decent person. More recently, there was the post of @erinfrostart, a former worker in SpindleHorse that revealed she didn't have the best expierence working on Helluva Boss and left the project after a very toxic interaction with Sam Miller, a member of the crew that was Vivzie's friend, resulting in her mental health being damaged.

Hell is other people. Ad from shop SkylarSunday From shop CactusdeerArt, ad by Nemuinell I've heard speculation she might be related to Vaggie. The regular sinners are beneath them. Theyre two different shows. Shipping policies vary, but many of our sellers offer free shipping when you purchase from them. From handmade pieces to vintage treasures ready to be loved again, Etsy is the global marketplace for unique and creative goods. From shop Nemuinell, Sale Price $11.56 Original Price $15.27 Ad from shop MikasaArtzz At least on Tumblr, I guess Ive become the main source of clearing up things accidentally lol .   United States   |   English (US)   |   $ (USD). Ad from shop TheTwistedCeltic While we've done our best to make the core functionality of this site accessible without javascript, it will work better with it enabled. Hazbin Pirates is a Crossover between One Piece and Hazbin hotel and Helluva boss. TheTwistedCeltic

Ad from shop JeffDelgado On the other hand, it does explain why that one ring is suffering from overpopulation. There's also red in the show which isn't to everyone's liking. EldritchSins Don't get me wrong, people aren't forced to like Vivziepop; she's not a saint but at the same time demonizing her and throwing hate at her isn't doing anything other than harm that Vivziepop doesn't deserve. From shop Skylilybug, ad by LavenderLynxShop From shop ArtByDanH, ad by JeffDelgado FREE shipping, ad by Meowtcha PolukhinaShop Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2021 at 2:51:01 AM. As for booze, it's not so much that booze in and of itself is bad. OdinsBeadHall Which ring are hellhounds endemic to? Nobody did. Its just a lot of positivity and wholesomeness in there. Most of the hate however comes from the hate people have towards the creator herself, Vivziepop.

From shop KawaiicArtShop, $5.00 Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2021 at 11:16:46 PM, Since most of the worldbuilding/lore comes from Word of God and not the episodes of both series seen so far, has anyone made a big comprehensive list of everything we know about Hell and its inhabitants? From shop MikasaArtzz, ad by TwistedPastell Everything about Ozzie goes against him being abusive, considering that he doesnt even like Valentines because he believes you should always adore your partner (platonic or otherwise) all year round rather than 1 day.

From shop MizoreyRen, ad by SeelysMerch Viv gave a basic summary of Hell's hierarchy here. And don't forget - Alistair wants the Hotel to fail. From shop StarsongThePirate. Probably the god wanted to punish Lucifer and put all the sinners in his wring. (I haven't been keeping track of every single thing the creators say, so forgive me if I leave anything out.). That they should be grateful because even though they were underpaid, they were given food and a place to sleep. Upload stories, poems, character descriptions & more. ", Well, if Im a bootlicker for simply caring about someones mental health regardless of whether they are well-known or not.then, shit, guess Viv is about to get her boots shined x3, I've been hearing/seeing a lot of drama concerning Hazbin Hotel and it's creator VivziePop, and while I don't know her personally or really. It helps the exorcists do their job more efficiently and makes sure they only kill sinners, not the hellborn whose only crime was being born; for arguments sake, IMP could just go hang out in the Ring of Greed and chill there while the cleansing happens. This is a slightly depressing thing, but I've started wondering if Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are really popular just because of how much hate and "criticism" is in the main tags.

From shop JeffDelgado, ad by IdenticalByHeart Nope, the Bible outright states you should avoid temptation. Lucifer is Hell's king due to his power. Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jan 3rd 2021 at 9:15:32 AM. It could be related to that plus plot devices. remembering account, browser, and regional preferences, remembering privacy and security settings, personalized search, content, and recommendations, helping sellers understand their audience, showing relevant, targeted ads on and off Etsy. I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm a little too bi to function. Of course, this doesnt mean their allegations were invalid, just makes a bit more sense, especially given their ages. Ad from shop YankeyDoodlesShop Ad from shop MizoreyRen I remember we speculated in this thread that she probably at worse killed an abusive John in life. At the very least when it came to Vivzies crew members, none of them denied knowing them. Try using a different browser or disabling ad blockers. They can make a whole post about how Stolas is a terrible father.and Im just sitting here like Yeah, he is terrible. Because lifting the restraint and allowing the sinners to access the other eight rings may be a simpler option than running a hotel dedicated to reforming each and every single one. Ad from shop ExhibitHaley Ad from shop Meowtcha

Some of the sinners would likely be recovering alcoholics and it's generally better to gradually wean them of it rather than cut them off entirely. Ad from shop Nemuinell I just hate that people were so quick to snowball that out of control. One entry points out that with how many sinners there are it wouldn't make sense for all of them to be evil bastards, there's likely a good chunk of them who were decent people who made some mistakes in life but they'd either have to keep their heads down or put on a facade in order to avoid attracting the attention of the demons who actually are evil bastards who would (at best) mock them for being soft or (at worst) abuse them cor being weak. When we see the rest of hell, it looks more like a normal town that just happens to be underneath the earth. Avoid it, do not pass by; Turn away from it and pass on.. Original Price $19.95

You also have Angel, who hides his trauma and inner turmoil under a sassy, devil-may-care persona to keep up his reputation. Favoritism has no place when it comes to making big calls. I do love a lot of voices but they did their job. But at the same time these issues can change in the future. Is all of Hell ruled by one single deity, like God? That makes Hell a million times boring, defeats the purpose of "Punishment" i know it's immature but I never said I was mature, https://kirain.tumblr.com/post/188863354586/hazbin-hotel-and-vivziepop-drama.

If sinners are kept in the Ring of Pride, how are the other rings relevant to the mortal realm? ArtByDanH hazbin alastor hellphone

Theyre just simply meant to give you an idea of what the show will be like and that is all. Edited by M84 on Jan 4th 2021 at 11:57:59 PM. Ad from shop LunarianGifts hazbin How you think that being forced in one place filled with insane maniacs and not having any way to escape a yearly genocide is NOT a punishment is beyond me. Etsy uses cookies and similar technologies to give you a better experience, enabling things like: Detailed information can be found in Etsys Cookies & Similar Technologies Policy and our Privacy Policy.

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He doesn't want anyone to actually redeem themselves and move on. Hell, I wouldnt be shocked if Helluva would get canceled altogether for having such a heavy workload. Please, dont say crap like this. You are very good at debunking arguments and on making points, I feel like no one will treat me badly in here for liking vivziepops content. Who gives a shit about what these dumbasses say. Ad from shop ArtByDanH Anytime I go in to the Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss, or Vivziepop tags, for one positive post there's like ten negative ones and it's always people writing essays on how Vivzie or the shows are terrible and you should feel bad for supporting her. Is there some kind of lore or reasoning behind this or if its just for plot convience. From shop SkylarSunday, ad by Skylilybug You're always going to be wondering what they think of you. The Goetia Demons are beneath them. Vivziepop has been involved in drama several times, having to deal with the hate her comic Zoophobia received (someone accused Vivzie of pairing two characters, a minor with an adult when in reality both of them were adults, their ages were actually 18 and 19), being accused of tracing and copy character designs (someone said that Striker from HelluvaBoss looked like Mako from Long Gone Gulch just for having a western aesthetic, having a moustache and yellow eyes or that some of her other works looks like scenes from other movies like in Timber the characters moved in a slightly similar manner to the characters in Cats don't dance during one of the songs) accused of saying the N word (turns out it was actually photoshoped tweet), accused of being someone who doesn't listen to criticism (which she actually does as shown in Addict where they dont use as much red as in the pilot and in the redesigns of characters like Vaggie now looking more like a moth) among other things like being accused of being a pedophile or zoophile even if there's no proof of this. Ad from shop OdinsBeadHall Youre allowed to be sad, but dont go acting like you wouldve made a better decision or that Vivzies freaking Hitler. Seeing mLm relationships in the show are constantly written as toxic and abusive there's no hope for OzziexFizz. TwistedPastell From shop NamsterArt, Sale Price $10.69 Absolutely! Excluding one, who admitted to not working for Vivzie. She/Her. FREE shipping, ad by SurferpugStudios Its perfectly fine if you wanna criticize villainous, your entitled to your opinion, but I dont think its fair to act like hazbin hotel/helluva boss is a complete step above the show even if you like them better. Pun probably intended. (20% off), ad by TheOtakuArtistDesign I was just wondering this myself. Our global marketplace is a vibrant community of real people connecting over special goods. Or they talk about how the fandom/Vivzie responds to criticism, but the moment you give them criticismYoure just a stan. What do you know if you like Vivize? AaronArtsShop It is meant to simply pitch the show and give the basic plot. I mean, I may have compared Vivzie and Alan, but thats about it. From shop TobiosArtShop, $13.92 Please. From shop EldritchSins, ad by Foxllic If you wanna learn more about this I recomnend you to go see @petitprincess1 tumblr posts, I appreciate the anon that tagged me in this.

Her teeth look fanged so I suspect she might be a sinner that looks very human in comparison to other sinners. $8.00, $10.00

Lucifer is the supreme ruler of all of Hell but the I think the other six deadly sins are more like governors of their own rings. Like so many say oh well they were her friends! First of all, most of those that were recasted are still her friends. Plus, the debunking stuff is super easy because those scandals have been disproven time and time again. My guess, either another target for I.M.P., a client recounting her backstory or the imps are simply there to kill someone at her concert.

From shop SpiritToons, Sale Price $2.80 Mrs. Mayberry from Helluva' Boss also shows that some of these more decent.people were likely embittered by their damnation as well. Plus, I do a little bit of writing. My name is Leanne/Lee/Petit/M'Lord. Like wtf???? They talked about how overworked they were that they had to sleep in their own offices. Forcing the Sinners to be stuck with many that are trying to kill one another is a punishment. Its also home to a whole host of one-of-a-kind items made with love and extraordinary care. From shop SomethingByTheo, $30.00 The Overlords of the Pride ring are under them. MichellesCraftsArt Good news! Ad from shop IdenticalByHeart Meanwhile, the Villainous crew pretended that those 20 people never existed, even though there is proof against that.

Rather, it's because when you're with other people, you're "trapped" by their judgements. Under Add your personalization, the text box will tell you what the seller needs to know. Their criticisms tend to be just really extensive nitpicks mixed with slanderous misinfo about Vivzie. Vivzie nor SH, in general, never guaranteed that every VA in the pilot would be staying. Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings (1), | Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba (Anime) (1), Jschlatt (Video Blogging RPF)/Other(s) (1), Alexis | Quackity & Karl Jacobs & Sapnap (1), Deity Clay | Dream (Video Blogging RPF) (1), | Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba (Anime), Jschlatt/being the worst ever in the history of everything i fucking hate him, Pig Hybrid Technoblade (Video Blogging RPF), Author is not a Jschlatt Apologist (Video Blogging RPF), Jschlatt is Not Okay (Video Blogging RPF), Goat Hybrid Jschlatt (Video Blogging RPF), Clay | Dream Has a God Complex (Video Blogging RPF), Clay | Dream is Not DreamXD (Video Blogging RPF), Clay | Dream is DreamXD (Video Blogging RPF), Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings. If you want a pick me up, go to Twitter and look up #WeLoveYouVivziepop. Header by littleimps. From shop TomatoDoodles, $42.77 Also, these notes from a signing with James Iglehart: You are literally attributing one or two toxic relationships (both from Valentino, who is shown to be abusive) and placing it all on the other relationships.

Like, say what you want about some Hazbin/Helluva fans being toxic, no ones gonna tell you that youre wrong (unless theyre brand new). Edited by Kaiseror on Jan 9th 2021 at 5:44:12 AM. That's why we need to turn to God for strength and to avoid temptation as much as possible. Even if the ruler of this ring is a hellborn, we know sinners are capable of achieving high status as shown by the overlords such as Alastor, Valentino, Vox, Velvet, Rosie, etc. FREE shipping, ad by KittsKitsch That and their design as a wolf with wings and reptilian tail would fit in well with the series atheistic. Ad from shop TomatoDoodles Ad from shop LavenderLynxShop

Vivziepop Antis: "SeE tHe FaCt ThAt ThEy SuPpoRt HeR iS pRoOf ThAt ThE fAnS aRe A hIvEmInD oF sTuPiD bOoTlICkErS! Click Buy it now or Add to cart and proceed to checkout. 24 years old. LavenderLynxShop I wouldn't be surprised if one of the members of IMP end up trying to get redeemed near the end of one of the shows. From shop Meowtcha, Sale Price $8.00 What happens next? I'm not saying that the shows are perfect in fact I don't like the pacing in some scenes of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. BatsyBunny I cant tell you how many times I see them pick apart the Hazbin Hotel pilot, when its just a pilot. I think that would be interesting if some of the Goetia want to be redeemed and they might want their children and/or spouses (if they have any) to be redeemed as well. Skylilybug The overpopulation wouldnt be as much as a problem if the sinners were spread among the a seven rings. FREE shipping, ad by CactusdeerArt Ive said this before and Ill say it again: You have every right to be upset and disappointed, but to make it seem like Vivzie betrayed people is incredibly childish. Plus it could be part of the punishment: sorry you cant partake in all the cool journey stuff! After all, in the words of Sartre, Hell is other people. Ad from shop SpiritToons Stolas and Blitzo are unhealthy, but that does not equal toxic and abusive. I also don't think imps or hellhounds are native to one particular ring but we see many at Loo-Loo Land because Luu-Luu World likely wouldn't let them in since they're at the bottom of Hell's pecking order. If anything, Im more upset with the fact that people got upset over 2 or 3 people calling Viv a horrible boss, while Alan Ituriel has 20 people saying the same damn thing in 2019. Anyway, again, Im really happy that my blog is kind of a de-stressor for you , At the end of the day, Hazbin Hotel is Viv's show and if she decided to recast certain characters cuz she found a better fit then best to give VAs a chance before judging. Etsy is powered by 100% renewable electricity. Ad from shop neontearz That still applies here. Share your thoughts, experiences, and stories behind the art. Is alcohol even considered a sin in older tenants of Christianity given the whole water and wine thing? The fridge brilliance page actually delves into this.

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They arent talking about ALL of Hell being overpopulated, just Pride, which makes sense because that would be where all the Sinners go. Edited by Kaiseror on Jan 4th 2021 at 9:49:14 AM. neontearz However, pride is supposedly the source of the rest of the sins and original sin. Will he and his team be able to beat the Immediate Murder Professionals and get back home? And even after Erin stated that it was her first time working on a project like that (which could be stressfull) and Helluva Boss wasn't the only reason why she had her mental health damaged, having other issues before that and other crew members (revisonists, VAs, music producers) stating that they didn't have a bad experience working in Helluva Boss, some people just continue to hate Vivziepop.
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